according to the international energy agency, the u.s. will overtake saudi arabia as the world's largest oil producer that before the year 2020. but -- don't get your hopes completely up as the epa could block this fantastic market-driven advance. nobody better to talk about it is john hofmeister. john, it is a pleasure to have you here. now, is it credible, first of all the report, we will overtake the saudis? >> report is credible. the iea is smart, good analysts. we have the reserves, no question we have the reserves. in the ground today. number two, we have the technology to get the reserves out of the ground. and number three, we have the money to pay for it. >> right. >> capital exists. >> will the capital be spent? i want to go back. i want to backtrack because i know you are so good at this. with you l the capital be -- so far it has been invested. is that fair? >> it has been invested on private lands, private property owners giving up mineral rights under state permits but something is about to change. that everybody needs to be